Anabolic/androgenic steroids are not medically approved to promote excessive muscle mass gains (bodybuilding) or improve athletic performance. Aside from early experimentation on athletes by a handful of sports physicians, an extensive effort to study the physique- and performance-enhancing properties of these drugs, specifically with an eye on developing strategies for using them to maximize benefits and minimize adverse effects, has not been undertaken by the medical community. Because of this, illicit users have been left to develop their own protocols for administering these drugs. The result has been a large variety of different approaches to using these agents, some safer or more effective than others. While it would not be possible to comprehensively evaluate all known approaches, this section will discuss some of the most fundamental and time-proven methods for using AAS.
When first considering what steroid(s) to use, one will notice there are many different medications that fall under the category of anabolic/androgenic steroids. This has been the result of many years of development, where specific patients and needs are addressed with drugs that have specific characteristics. For example, some drugs are considered milder (less androgenic), and produce fewer side effects in women and children. Others are more androgenic, which makes them better at supporting sexual functioning in men. Some are injectable medications, and others made for oral administration. There are limits to this diversity, however. All AAS drugs activate the same cellular receptor, and as such share similar protein anabolizing properties. In other words, while different AAS drugs may have some differing properties, if your objective is to gain muscle mass and strength, this could be accomplished with virtually any one of the commercially available agents.
While all AAS drugs may be capable of improving muscle mass, strength, and performance, it would not be correct to say there are no advantages to choosing one agent over another for a particular purpose. Most fundamentally, the quantity and quality of muscle gained may be different from one agent to another. In a general sense, AAS that are also estrogenic tend to be more effective at promoting increases in total muscle size. These steroids also tend to produce visible water (and sometimes fat) retention, however, and are generally favored when raw size is more important than muscle definition. Drugs with low or no significant estrogenicity tend to produce less dramatic size gains in comparison, but the quality is higher, with greater visible muscularity and definition. In reviewing the most popular AAS drugs, we can separate them into these two main categories as follows.
The early stages of AAS use usually involve cycles with a single anabolic/androgenic steroid. Building muscle mass is the most common goal, and usually entails the use of one of the more androgenic substances such as testosterone, methandrostenolone, or oxymetholone. Those looking for lean mass often find favor in such anabolic staples as nandrolone decanoate, oxandrolone, or stanozolol. First time users rarely welcome injecting anabolic/androgenic steroids, and will usually choose an oral compound for the sake of convenience. Methandrostenolone is the most common choice for mass building, and is almost universally regarded as highly effective and only moderately problematic (in terms of estrogenic or androgenic side effects). Stanozolol is the oral anabolic steroid most often preferred for improving lean mass or athletic performance.
The potential for adverse reactions should also be considered when choosing a steroid to use, especially if AAS use is to be regularly repeated. For example, the listed oral medications present greater strain on the cardiovascular system, and are also liver toxic. For these reasons, the injectable medications listed are actually preferred for safety (testosterone most of all). Potential cosmetic side effects may also be taken into account. For example, men with a strong sensitivity to gynecomastia sometimes prefer non-estrogenic drugs such as methenolone, stanozolol, or oxandrolone. Individuals worried about hair loss, on the other hand, may isolate their use to predominantly anabolic drugs, such as nandrolone, methenolone, and oxandrolone. A detailed review of personal goals, health status, and potential side effects of each drug is advised before committing to any AAS regimen.
The dosage used is important in determining the level of benefit received. Anabolic/androgenic steroids tend to be most efficient at promoting muscle gains when taken at a moderately supratherapeutic dosage level. Below this (therapeutic), potential anabolic benefits are often counterbalanced, at least to some extent, by the suppression of endogenous testosterone. At very high doses (excessive supratherapeutic), smaller incremental gains are noticed (diminishing returns). In the case of testosterone enanthate or cypionate, for example, a dosage of 100 mg per week is considered therapeutic, and is generally insufficient for noticing strong anabolic benefits. When the dosage is in the 200-600 mg per week range, however, the drug is highly efficient at supporting muscle growth (moderate supratherapeutic). Above this range, a greater level of muscle gain may be noticed, but the amount will be small in comparison to the dosage increase. Below are some commonly recommended dosages for the steroids listed earlier.
Boldenone undecylenate: 200-400 mg/wk
Methandrostenolone: 10-30 mg/day
Methenolone enanthate: 200-400 mg/wk
Nandrolone decanoate: 200-400 mg/wk
Oxandrolone: 10-30 mg/day
Oxymetholone: 50-100 mg/day
Stanozolol: 10-30 mg/day
Stanozolol: 10-30 mg/day
Testosterone (cypionate, enanthate): 200-600 mg/wk
There are additional considerations other than the cost effectiveness of a particular dosage. To begin with, high doses of anabolic/androgenic steroids tend to produce stronger negative cosmetic, psychological, and physical side effects. In light of diminishing returns, the tradeoff between results and adverse reactions becomes less and less favorable. Gains made on lower doses also tend to be better retained after steroid discontinuance than those resulting from excessive intake. It is generally not realistic to expect that rapid double-digit weight gains induced by massive dosing will remain long after a cycle is over. Slower steadier gains are advised. It is also very important to remember that higher doses aren’t always what are needed to achieve greater gains. An individual more focused on his or her training and diet will often make better gains on lower dosages of AAS than a less dedicated individual taking higher doses. With this understanding, AAS should only be considered when all other variables of training and diet have been addressed, and always limited to the minimum dosage necessary to achieve the next realistic training/performance goal.
Short cycle, 4 week, Test propionate
The cycle isn’t total crap, it just needs tweaking. Test prop is best shot eod. I would tell him to inject one extra day during the week. When I run prop I inject on Sun, Tue, Thur, Sat. post cycle therapy (pct) should start 2-3 days after the last injection.
post cycle therapy (pct) Week 1 Day 1:200mg Day 2-7: 100mg Week 2 50mg daily Week 3 50mg daily
This entire cycle (including post cycle therapy (pct)) is 7 weeks long, which means he will need 7 weeks of being “clean” before he can start another cycle.
How’s it going guys. I know this is an old post, but Prop has a half life of 2-3 days. I did the calculation on excel and used this calculator for the half life:
What is the objective? Is it to keep the dosage each day steady at 200mg?
Here is a 3 day half life, best case scenario:
Day 1 200 Day 2 158.74 Day 3 225.99 Day 4 179.37 Day 5 242.366 Day 6 192.366 Day 7 252.681 Day 8 200.553 Day 9 209.179 Day 10 166.026 Day 11 181.775 Day 12 144.275 Day 13 164.5113 Day 14 130.5728 Day 15 153.6358 Day 16 121.9404 Day 17 146.7847 Day 18 116.5027 Day 19 139.9884 Day 20 108.6282 Day 21 133.7384 Day 22 103.6676 Day 23 129.8011 Day 24 100.5426 Day 25 129.8011 Day 26 100.5426 Day 27 129.8011 Day 28 100.5426 Day 29 79.8011 Day 30 60.8576 Day 31 48.3031 Day 32 35.8576 Day 33 28.4601 Day 34 20.1086 Day 35 15.9601 Day 36 10.1873 Day 37 8.0856 Day 38 3.9373 Day 39 3.125
Here is a 2 day half life:
Day 1 200 Day 2 141.42 Day 3 200 Day 4 141.422 Day 5 200 Day 6 141.421 Day 7 200 Day 8 141.422 Day 9 150 Day 10 106.0656 Day 11 125 Day 12 88.3886 Day 13 112.5 Day 14 75.13 Day 15 103.125 Day 16 70.7106 Day 17 100 Day 18 66.2912 Day 19 96.875 Day 20 66.2912 Day 21 96.875 Day 22 66.2912 Day 23 96.875 Day 24 66.2912 Day 25 96.875 Day 26 66.2912 Day 27 96.875 Day 28 66.2912 Day 29 46.875 Day 30 30.9362 Day 31 21.875 Day 32 13.2582 Day 33 9.375 Day 34 4.4194 Day 35 3.125
AI said: 09-14-2011 11:58 PM
It seems a little better with a 200 front load and 100 eod (any other opinions on this?)
2 day half life:
Day 1 200 Day 2 141.42 Day 3 200 Day 4 141.422 Day 5 200 Day 6 141.421 Day 7 200 Day 8 141.422 Day 9 200 Day 10 141.4216 Day 11 200 Day 12 141.4216 Day 13 200 Day 14 137.0022 Day 15 196.875 Day 16 137.0022 Day 17 196.875 Day 18 137.0022 Day 19 196.875 Day 20 137.0022 Day 21 196.875 Day 22 137.0022 Day 23 196.875 Day 24 137.0022 Day 25 196.875 Day 26 137.0022 Day 27 196.875 Day 28 137.0022 Day 29 96.875 Day 30 66.2912 Day 31 46.875 Day 32 30.9362 Day 33 21.875 Day 34 13.2582 Day 35 9.375
And this with a 3 day half life:
Day 1 200 Day 2 158.74 Day 3 225.99 Day 4 179.37 Day 5 242.366 Day 6 192.366 Day 7 252.681 Day 8 200.553 Day 9 259.179 Day 10 205.711 Day 11 263.273 Day 12 208.96 Day 13 265.8513 Day 14 211.0068 Day 15 267.4758 Day 16 212.2961 Day 17 268.4992 Day 18 213.1084 Day 19 266.6636 Day 20 209.1711 Day 21 263.5386 Day 22 209.1711 Day 23 263.5386 Day 24 209.1711 Day 25 263.5386 Day 26 209.1711 Day 27 263.5386 Day 28 209.1711 Day 29 163.5386 Day 30 129.8011 Day 31 100.5426 Day 32 79.8011 Day 33 60.8576 Day 34 48.3031 Day 35 35.8576 Day 36 28.4601 Day 37 20.1086 Day 38 15.9601 Day 39 10.1873 Day 40 8.0856 Day 41 3.9373 Day 42 3.125
I want to do a cycle like this in January. I should be pushing my natural maxes by then and that gives me time to get my diet in check and push my weight up as much as possible with that. Still, I’m only 22 and my main concern is the HPTA shutdown. I was going to do an extended Anavar (var) only cycle but I can’t get that anyway and I know how you guys feel about that. would a good enough PCT (or perhaps a different dosing technique) be able to mitigate the shut down, or is it pretty much completely unavoidable? If a cycle like this could help me put on +5 lbs of solid, retainable mass, I think it would be worth it
AI said: 10-25-2011 07:42 AM
Tactical, I have similar goals to you, prob would like to gain more like 10lbs of muscle I could keep. But I’ve been researching primobolan. It seems like it may be a pretty good one for you. Maybe 300-400mg per week?
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and for gods sake dont give advice when you dont know what your talking about.
Last edited by DADAWG; 10-25-2011 at 12:20 PM.
Your 22 and think you’ll be pushing your natty maxes by January? What’s your basis for this?
Have you had blood work done? Do you know where your test levels are? How long have you been training? What’s your diet like as far as calories and macros? And I mean true calories, not what you think you eat. And why would you shut down your HPTA and risk being on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) for life over 4 weeks and 5 lbs.
well that’s what I’m saying. I DONT want to get shut down so I want to do something that won’t cause that. I play a spring sport and work out with trainers 3x a week during the fall, so every year I go in a cycle where I get about 10 extra lbs of mass and reach a plateau on my lifts, then when our season starts I basically only have time to do cardio and usually gradually drop about half of my mass by summer. As far as nutrition goes I am currently tightening that up. not sure about exact values but I try to never let myself feel hunger. I take 2 hardboiled eggs, a banana and a cereal bar before I go to class. come to my apt, have a bowl of chili or a tuna sandwich, chill, then spend an hour in the caf grazing on everything in site before my next class (usually a 6in turkey sub, salad, fruit smoothy, pasta, couple burger or chicken pattys, steamed veggies, rice and whatever mystery meat of the day is) after classes I have a can of refried beans pre workout, then a post workout shake and dinner is pretty much the same as lunch and usually a pizza or footlong sub around midnight.